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Opposition forms for outside alcohol sales
by Ben Robinson
Mar 03, 2010 | 7389 views | 16 16 comments | 9 9 recommendations | email to a friend | print
EASLEY — If you’re planning to attend Easley City Council’s meeting Monday night, you may want to come early to assure that you will get a seat.

A group of Easley residents upset over the new outdoor dining ordinance plan to attend the meeting and speak out against the controversial measure.

“It’s kind of up in the air as to how many people will attend,” said Scott Willis, one of the group. “I’m sure there will be a good number. We’re hoping that anyone who shares our opinion will come and let their voices be heard.”

Willis, the public morals director for the Piedmont Baptist Association, said his group has no problem with outdoor dining. But the group opposes the serving of beer and wine outdoors downtown.

For Willis, it is simply a matter of limiting people’s choices.

“If I’m walking downtown and I pass a place that serves alcohol, I have the choice as to whether or not I want to go inside that business,” Willis said. “But if the alcohol is being served outside, I feel like that choice is being taken away from me.”

Brian Hale said that the passing of the first reading of the ordinance caught many by surprise.

“The more I asked around about it, the more it seemed that very few people knew about this issue,” Hale said. “Well, the word is spreading and the citizens of Easley are not too happy.”

Hale said he has seen a petition against the ordinance that has more than 1,000 signatures.

“It’s a bad step,” Hale said. “A step in the wrong direction.”

Hale’s concerned include the image the ordinance give to children.

“The message that will be sent to our youth is that we not only approve of alcohol as a city, but that we flaunt it on our sidewalks, then tell them how bad it is for them,” Hale said. “What a mixed message.”

Hale feels that allowing sales of beer and wine outdoors will eventually lead to alcohol being served on the streets at the city festivals.

“They (proponents of ordinance) keep telling me it won’t lead to that, but you know it will,” Hale said. “Budweiser already sponsors events in downtown Greenville. You know they’d love to get their hands on Easley too.”

Hale said too many people are trying to make Easley more like Greenville.

“If we wanted to live in a place like Greenville, we would move to Greenville,” Hale said.

Hale also noted that the ordinance would only affect five percent of the downtown businesses.

“They say this will give downtown businesses a shot in the arm,” Hale said. “How can it if it only affects five percent of them?”

Willis said that the ordinance could have a negative effect on Easley in the long run.

“The city of Easley has always promoted itself as a family-oriented place where you can take your children and feel that they are safe,” Willis said. “This ordinance could change that. This will just bring more issues that will have to be dealt with. We need to head this thing off early.”

Hale said two of the people who will speak to council Monday night are former Easley High School principal Bill Houston, owner of Houston and Childress Realty on Pendleton Street, and the Rev. Dr. David Gallamore, pastor of Rock Springs Baptist Church.

Hale said he honestly feels that the majority of Easley residents would oppose this measure if they were aware of what was happening.

“I wish they would bring it up for a referendum,” Hale said. “Then they would see that the majority of people are not in favor of this.
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BossTweed
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April 16, 2013
Ah yes - the NANNY state continues to grow. There are thousands of towns throughout the US that allow outdoor consumption of alcohol, and their crime rates and DUI rates are no different than those that Easley currently enjoys. As for the economics, yes, locals might like to have a place to drink outdoors. Instead of going to Greenville, maybe they could keep their money here in our town. That provides jobs and tax monies. Stop trying to force religion into the public space where it doesn't belong.
UNchristian
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March 11, 2010
Ah, C.S. is amazing. Reading Mere Christianity as a young 18 year old baby Christian let me know that intellectual thought could indeed mix well with faith. One of my favorite reads, still to this day.
eegreen
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March 11, 2010
Thanks UNchristian:)I am reminded of a quote from C.S. Lewis' book, Mere Christianity..... "it may be the duty of a particular Christian, or of any Christian, at a particular time, to abstain from strong drink, either because he is the sort of man who cannot drink at all without drinking too much, or because he is with people who are inclined to drunkenness and must not encourage them by drinking himself. But the whole point is that he is abstaining, for a good reason, from something which he does not condemn and which he likes to see other people enjoying. One of the marks of a certain type of bad man is that he cannot give up a thing himself without wanting every one else to give it up. That is not the Christian way. An individual Christian may see fit to give up all sorts of things for special reasons--marriage, or meat, or beer, or the cinema; but the moment he starts saying the things are bad in themselves, or looking down his nose at other people who use them, he has taken the wrong turning."

- Mere Christianity
UNchristian
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March 08, 2010
eegreen, I like you, and you did not twist his statements. What you said is exactly correct. I moved to Easley from Greenville 3 years ago, and it scares the hell out of me to witness how behind Easley is. The quotes in this article make me think I am reading a historical account of the 17th century Salem witch trials. If you think that, by seeing a stranger drinking a beer outside Michaels, your teenager will go that weekend and binge drink, you need help as a parent. I believe most people around here are so scared that what they have been indoctrinated with is wrong, the only way they can express their faith is by keeping others under their theological thumbs. Grow some spiritual nards and realize that, above all else, we are our brother's keeper. We are here to love, serve, and show compassion to others. THAT was Christ's message--not legislating morality.
UNchristian
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March 08, 2010
stranger4333
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March 08, 2010
The town has been going downhill the past few years, why not push it further? Alcohol sales and then sex shops?
thomas_jefferson
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March 05, 2010
Second and final vote is Monday night...wonder if the vote wil be swayed any - either direction.
franklin29630
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March 03, 2010
The ordinance passed 4-3, with Council members Chris Mann, Thomas Wright and Libby Dodson voting against the measure.

Bagwell, Garrison, Watson and Valentin voted for it.
stranger4333
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March 03, 2010
Can I cut in? This is from a survey I just read on-line.

"One-third of teens who were monthly drinkers said that they typically drank to get drunk, and 65 percent said they had gotten drunk at least once during the past month. Further, about one-third of monthly drinkers who didn't intend to get drunk wound up getting intoxicated, anyway, according to researchers."

Assuming teens are responsible is a bad assumption, so adults need to be role models for children/teens who tend to repeat what they see in the media and in real life. Mayor Bagwell has to look beyond the dollar signs and pass laws that encourage adults to be good role models. C'mon Larry, put the children first.
eegreen
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March 03, 2010
I'm sorry if I misunderstood or mischaracterized your intent. This is why internet discussions are weak at best.:)

I am a proponent of personal responsibility...if most people can enjoy something responsibly, I leave them alone. When they abuse it, do things that are illegal or harmful to others, they deserve to be punished.

I may be wrong, but you are assuming that everyone that drinks does horrible things as a result. What about the 99% (made up statistic) of us that drink, but have never been drunk or beat anyone or driven under the influence?

I'm not on city council...I'd rather be shot:)
franklin29630
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March 03, 2010
You are recharacterizing what I wrote in order to disprove it. Poor attempt. I didn't say outlaw alcohol. You did. I didn't say close bars. You did. In my analogy I didn't say ban driving. You did.

Overeating harms only that one person. Drinking harms others. Innocent people. A big difference you missed.

All your analogies are quite weak.

Should we allow public drinking? You say yes. I say no. Where will you draw the line?

Showing children adults who are drinking is a bad idea. Children don't have the sense to do anything in moderation. Haven you figured that out yet?

You must be on the city council.

eegreen
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March 03, 2010
I'm not saying we shouldn't oppose things that are harmful or unsafe for the general public. Driving 50 in a 30 is obviously against the law and potentially unsafe, however, I'm not calling for city officials to outlaw driving because people speed. Men getting drunk and beating their wives is also unlawful and wrong. Again, this has nothing to do with the 99% of law abiding citizens that can enjoy 1 glass of wine or a beer with dinner and go home. Why should I miss out on the enjoyment of a nice dinner and a glass of wine with my wonderful husband just because of the remote chance that some idiot is going to get drunk? Outlawing everything that could be potentially misused isn't good logic either. Gluttony is a sin according to the Bible and leads to poor health....does that mean we should call for the closing of buffet restaurants? Hiding alcohol isn't showing our children anything, modeling moderation to our children is more useful.

franklin29630
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March 03, 2010
That's your belief and I respect that, but taking your logic further, why would any Christian take their valuable time away from sharing Jesus to oppose anything? People drive 50 mph in a 30 mph zone, why should we take the time to judge them? Why should we stop them?

Jesus took his short 3 years in his ministry to judge and oppose what was harmful. We need to be like Jesus.

Alcohol is harmful. Drunkin driving, men getting drunk and beating their wives, teenage drinking. What kind of example are we setting for children when they see adults boozing it up on the sidewalks?

Take the moral high ground, please. Someone needs to.
eegreen
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March 03, 2010
I am a Christian (who does drink alcohol,but if I didn't...I would find it completely unnecessary to impose my beliefs on others. If a restaurant that I enjoy serves alcohol, I have the choice to enjoy my dinner with or without it, as do the other patrons. I don't have a problem with someone enjoying a glass of wine inside or outside, as long as they are responsible about it. Christians should spend their valuable time and resources sharing the love of Jesus, and let Him change their morals if need be...
franklin29630
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March 03, 2010
Squrty,

That is not what Jesus meant. He was judging people all the time. There is good and bad. This is bad and it needs to be judged by the rest of us that way.

I've had enough with people like you. The reason why we are heading down the toliet, because people like you say the rest of us should not judge anyone.

The city council members who voted for this needs to stop pursuing the all mighty dollar and stand up for what is right. How do you like them apples?
SQUIRTY
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March 03, 2010
Oh, Holier than thou people who would judge MY values, I paraphrase the words of a man who you seem to have forgotten:

Before you remove the splinter from your brothers eye, remove the PLANK from your own.....

Judge not my friend, lest you be judged!

(For the love of God, a guy works his tail off all week, and wants to have a BEER with his family, you'd begrudge him this?) Again, who is the sinner here?
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